tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19785125.post6277153995396991978..comments2024-01-03T07:56:32.311-05:00Comments on quaker oats live: worship reflection: prophecy from gurneyites?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07488876505679035140noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19785125.post-91285787152075869802010-10-16T14:09:07.451-04:002010-10-16T14:09:07.451-04:00I believe that one of the major issues in "pr...I believe that one of the major issues in "prophetic voice" is the issue of human authority. The Gurney-Hicks disagreement was in many cases the "power" of the "facing benches," 2nd Day Meetings, elders, etc. The orthodox position was/is(?) that selected people had more authority than others "regardless of voice." The reliance on a written "guide" is also an "orthodox Protestant position. <br /><br />The revolutionary Gospel of "Christ has come to teach his people himself" does not depend on ONLY selected people or written words.Tom Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12194918323559385371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19785125.post-80150902634936074252010-10-16T10:41:26.910-04:002010-10-16T10:41:26.910-04:00Hi Cherice:
Good writing. I found your post thou...Hi Cherice:<br /><br />Good writing. I found your post thoughtful. I want to make one comment about Quietism; it is kind of tangential and doesn't effect the main thrust of your post. But I have noticed among contemporary Quakers a consistent tendency to view the Quietist period of Quaker history in a negative manner. In contrast, I find this period inspiring because it is rooted in the contemplative dimension of the Quaker tradition. Modern Quakers are proud of their history of activism, and I share that pride. On the other hand, one does not need to be a Quaker to be a political activist. Most activists are not Quakers.<br /><br />My point is that I think the splits occured because the centrality of the contemplative experience, rooted in the stillness and silence of Quaker worship, was forgotten. I think the Quietist period has much to teach us contemporary Quakers and personally I find that period to be the most nourishing.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />JimJim714https://www.blogger.com/profile/06135451195351824085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19785125.post-87631509343102498992010-10-16T01:14:34.388-04:002010-10-16T01:14:34.388-04:00sorrysorryben schultznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19785125.post-90277665828023255652010-10-16T01:13:45.847-04:002010-10-16T01:13:45.847-04:00Darned old Beanite here. Well this site does call ...Darned old Beanite here. Well this site does call itself Quaker/quaker after all. <br />You are talking too much and splitting too many hairs. <br />Our calling is to charity. Listening to god is not particularly relevant. <br />Tho it can be nice on a fine 1st day to tune in.ben schultznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19785125.post-11739847054386469742010-10-15T23:08:15.955-04:002010-10-15T23:08:15.955-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05358173724119092004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19785125.post-82882382709149606462010-10-15T19:33:05.675-04:002010-10-15T19:33:05.675-04:00What does it mean to you to say that you believe i...What does it mean to you to say that you believe in the historical Christ?Brad Lairdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19785125.post-90004515740350027822010-10-15T12:31:43.895-04:002010-10-15T12:31:43.895-04:00Robert Barclay (December 23, 1648 – October 3, 169...Robert Barclay (December 23, 1648 – October 3, 1690), one of the most eminent writers belonging to the Religious Society of Friends;<br /><br />Apology for the True Christian Divinity THE THIRD PROPOSITION Concerning the Scriptures<br /> "From these revelations of the Spirit of God to the saints have proceeded the Scriptures of Truth, which contain,<br /><br /> I. A faithful historical account of the actings of God's people in divers ages; with many singular and remarkable providences attending them.<br /><br /> II. A prophetical account of several things, whereof some are already past, and some yet to come.<br /><br /> III. A full and ample account of all the chief principles of the doctrine of Christ, held forth in divers precious declarations, exhortations and sentences, which, by the moving of God's Spirit, were at several times, and upon sundry occasions, spoken and written unto some churches and their pastors.<br /><br /> Nevertheless, because they are only a declaration of the fountain, and not the fountain itself, therefore they are not to be esteemed the principal ground of all Truth and knowledge, nor yet the adequate primary rule of faith and manners. Yet because they give a true and faithful testimony of the first foundation, they are and may be esteemed a secondary rule, subordinate to the Spirit, from which they have all their excellency and certainty: for as by the inward testimony of the Spirit we do alone truly know them, so they testify, that the Spirit is that Guide by which the saints are led into all Truth; therefore, according to the Scriptures, the Spirit is the first and principal leader.a Seeing then that we do therefore receive and believe the Scriptures because they proceeded from the Spirit, for the very same reason is the Spirit more originally and principally the rule, according to that received maxim in the schools, Propter quod unumquodque est tale, illud ipsum est magis tale: That for which a thing is such, that thing itself is more such."<br /><br />We worship and follow the Spirit,not the Bible. The Bible tells us about Spirit, but even there, one must discern what is actually from Spirit and what is from the church recollection of Spirit through the lens of others. I believe that we must take the Bible seriously, but not literally.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05358173724119092004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19785125.post-24250978268607796132010-10-14T12:13:48.035-04:002010-10-14T12:13:48.035-04:00The solution to the apparent conflict between list...The solution to the apparent conflict between listening to the Holy Spirit and believing the Bible is simple: all that one "hears" from the HS must agree with the Scripture. <br /><br />If someone's prophecy does not agree with the written word of God, then it is clear which of the two is wrong.<br /><br />Believers must not think that inner light is a safe guide. "Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light," 2 Corinthians 11:14. We need to be in the written word, seeking the help of the Holy Spirit to apply it to our lives.<br /><br /><br />"For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy," Revelation 19:10.<br /><br />Jesus is the Word.<br /><br />God is one. "He cannot deny Himself," 2 Timothy 2:13.Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19785125.post-40824286234214374832010-10-13T12:34:24.541-04:002010-10-13T12:34:24.541-04:00Good questions..
With our strong emphasis on list...Good questions..<br /><br />With our strong emphasis on listening and following the Holy Spirit,I have wonder at times instead of calling ourselves the Society of Friends should we be called the Society of the Holy Spirit? <br /><br />Jesus said,“I will not leave you as orphans;I will come to you. “After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also. Jesus also says," I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that Spirit may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees not the Spirit nor knows of the Spirit; but you know the Spirit, for Spirit dwells with you and will be in you.<br /><br />My issue with the Orthodox-Gurneyite tradition is they put the cart before the horse. Right belief before the experience of the Holy Spirit.Elias Hicks was correct if we don't listen to the Present Spirit,the Bible is meaningless.<br /><br />So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God-Holy Spirit <br />Romans 10-17Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05358173724119092004noreply@blogger.com